Is it possible that PG's Mother and Grandmother might be one and same ?? double thread on ths

[Admin- Michelle]

Is it possible that PG's Mother and Grandmother might be one and same ??
Post by Iamroyalty Today at 10:54

The theories/possibilities of PG's parentage seem to be taking another direction and, athough these have been mentioned on another thread I thought it might be a good idea to put thoughts on this possibility in a thread of thread of their own.

Now it is being suggested that TF was a decoy and ma gave birth to PG. Who though is the father - willy or one of his friends - any other suggestions? IMO it is possible ma gave birth, esp as she was MIA at a time of the year when she is usually out and about in all her glory - Ascot/Wimbledon etc. - must have been something important to keep her away from these events and would also explain why they had to dash back to the manor of doom, didn't want a nanny after the birth/ ma looking fuller-figured than she usally does when they visited the hospital just after the birth. This would also mean that any DNA tests would show PG has the same DNA as waity even if she isn't the mother.

If TF is a decoy IMO that suggests the middies knew the surrogacy might get out so had a back-up plan - apparently ma was heard in London boasting about how they "had got away with it". She really is a sandwhich short of a pic-nic (or a Weetabix short of a breakfast as Pauline would put it!!) - if you've done something wrong you don't boast about your deception......couldn't help herself I guess

Of course all this is speculation but so much doesn't "add up" so questions are bound to be asked. There was a time when most popel believed wht they were told byt the RF/TPTB etc but no more. With the internet it is not possible to keep things secret by gagging the press.

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[Admin- Michelle]

2nd go at this

Ma was missing , totally MIA during May/June.She admits herself she does not show until month 8
Also not the pic showing pregnant Wasty but Ma doing the old TV thing, Moses basket covering the bump. As they say, sometimes it is right in front of your eyes

So the question is
Is Ma JUST the surrogate or the Mother ?
who is the father ? and if Wimpo, how was that baby conceived ?

It does explain Wasty rushing back to Ma with a newborn
It was born early so Ma could turn up to St Mary's for the official birth
It explains hiding for months after ' birth '
Ma never seen with PG, could be cos new Mothers leak milk when they hold their babies or are not holding. One of those natural Mother things. ma leaking and Wasty no , is a give away.

So the big question who egg ?
Ma
Pip
TF

Sperm
Pa
Wimpo
William VC
Ben Fogle ( Wimpo's twin )

What did Jacinta know ?
Aussie DJ's were a set up, so it gave them a way to remove Jacinta

So what did Jacinta know ?
Ma was having treatment
Ma was pregnant
Ma was pregnant to Wimpo

[Indie]

ITA.

[Indie]

We've got it.

[Admin- Michelle]

Think site is being played with. Just doubling up on this.We might be very close this time

Now to figure out father and what Jacinta knew that would have caused them to preplan her death

[Indie]

That has got to be what happened.

[Admin- Michelle]

Let the fun begin . You cannot keep it a secret forever. A new pregnancy is going to do more harm than good

[CarryingOn]

The thing is, even if The Viper was the bio mom and Willy is the Bio dad, it doesn't explain the brown eyes. The Viper and Uncle Fester, both have recessive eye colorings. If Wimp & Viper had a kid, it would still put them in the same boat as Wimpo and Wastful. So not impossible that she carried the kid and though highly improbable, not impossible that she donated the egg, but in this scenario, when you slice the pie, William just doesn't fit. In fact, we can rule out his sperm and a Middleton egg producing George because of those brown eyes.

Gary's light blue eyes
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8493938.ece/binary/original/v2pg-13-middletons-rex.jpg
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2055666.ece/alternates/s2197/Gary-Goldsmith.jpg
I still can't find the best up close of Viper's eyes but they seem to be along the same color as Gary's
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article126108.ece/alternates/s2197/carole-middleton-pic-getty-images-image-1-643351683.jpg
http://www.papermag.com/uploaded_images/Carole-Middleton.jpg
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article126108.ece/alternates/s2197/carole-middleton-pic-getty-images-image-1-643351683.jpg
Pippa
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1160483/thumbs/o-PIPPA-MIDDLETON-PARTY-PLANNING-facebook.jpg

If George were Viper and Wimpo's bio kid, he would be even more prone to having blue eyes.

P.S. Looking through pics of the Midds and I just think to myself why couldn't he have at least married Pippa. She's not the prettiest thing on two feet, I know, and she's not the best of the best but William can't pull the best of the best. She would be the lesser of two evils though and she looks like she's there. Kate has always looked not all there to me. When they were dating she always had these stupid ass expressions on her face. She always looked blank, even if she were smiling, especially her eyes. Just mindless, yet stupid, yet calculating, yet blank, yet shameless. Goodness I can't stand her!
http://cdn02.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/kate_middleton_horse_racing/kate-middleton-horse-racing-02.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110307-middleton/ss-110307-middleton-catherine-middleton.ss_full.jpg
http://topnews.in/light/files/Kate-Middleton-34.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XKpjErHYegs/UIGpDjyC-qI/AAAAAAAAWFs/LDjZF2iGC64/s1600/ki1.jpg
http://www.wptz.com/image/view/-/7401780/highRes/2/-/1elfyqz/-/Kate-Middleton-through-years---2006-wedding-jpg.jpg
http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/wenn1231781.jpg

Now the only time she doesn't look blank is when she thinks someone is around to look at her with adoration. *gag*

[Indie]

Then it is not Willy's bio child. The Viper carried it either as surrogate or as bio mother. Someone else is the daddy.

[Iamroyalty]

Then it is not Willy's bio child. The Viper carried it either as surrogate or as bio mother. Someone else is the daddy.

Then whether waity carried PG or not he is not the legitimate heir and the RF are perpetrating a huge fraud on the British people. Even if they didn't now at the time they must do now and it is time this matter was dealt with once and for all

[Iamroyalty]

Was looking for pics of ma around this time and realised she was in fact at Wimbledon in 2013 - a thousand apologies for my mistake Ladies.  

However,  in the pics of ma at the tennis she does look much fuller-figured.  If, as some reckon, PG was born earlier than the date we have been told, e.g. sometime at the beginning of June 2103, this would have given her approx 3 weeks to get herself looking OK to be seen in public without raisig any suspicion - or so she thought.  In the 1st link below she is at Wimbledon wearing a dress with a strange loose tie belt to disguise the fact that she is clearly not so slim-hipped as usual  and we all know how she likes to flaunt her figure.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CDAQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hellomagazine.com%2Froyalty%2F2013062613237%2Fcarole-michael-middleton-tennis-wimbledon%2F&ei=0WvJU-q3JYeM7Ab30oHwDg&usg=AFQjCNGUWDVE4murMyI3Csk5D31z1QuPrw&bvm=bv.71198958,d.ZGU&cad=rja

In the 2nd link below she is outside the Lindo Wing, bigger boobs and stomach  - definitley not looking as trim as she usually does

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Carole+Middleton+Carole+Michael+Middleton+4VlTiRONYwsl.jpg

[Mosiac22]

Excellent points Michelle. Since this theory first appeared I've always taken the view that they would not have risked
any outsiders. So I thin George's bio parents are Michael a nd Carole. Possibly the treatment she had enabled her tp
produce an egg. So with this scenario, they could have ursuped the legal heir to PPrince William, i..e Prince Harry,
and instead slip in the the usurper, Feorge Middleton. And that ladies is treason for Ma and Pa and for all those who
participated in any way.

[CrystalEve]

Excellent points Michelle.  Since this theory first appeared I've always taken the view that they would not have risked
any outsiders.  So I thin George's bio parents are Michael a nd Carole.  Possibly the treatment she had enabled her tp
produce an egg.  So with this scenario, they could have ursuped the  legal heir to PPrince William, i..e Prince Harry,
and instead slip in the  the usurper, Feorge Middleton. And that ladies is treason for Ma and Pa and for all those who
participated  in any way.

I think that you could well have hit the nail on the head there, Mosiac22!  

[Indie]

This is a strong possibility. What about the brown eyes?

[Rozel]

Great posts ladies. I would agree with ma/pa bio mix, but think only one of them, because of the dark brown eyes. They are genetic and have to come from one parent, and neither ma/pa have brown eyes, and don´t any of their three children, none of them have brown eyes. I was wondering if ma surrogate with a bio mix of pa/Jacintha. Very odd how she died so quickly post waity´s *cough cough* HG visit to that hospital. Then that stupid article in the DM claiming Indian ancestry way back for Princess Diana - and then a side bit saying only passed along by females. That rules willy boy out on that one. He looks nothing like willy boy, not one similar feature. If you look at piccies of willy boy and the fakie porgie at the same age they bear no resemblance at all.

[Mosiac22]

Doesn't Pippa have dark brown eyes. She could have supplied the egg, now there's a puzzle. Maybe Carol knows the answer.

[Anniecross]

He has that slightly nark eyed look that Ma and the Pipster has ie uneven eyes.

[Indie]

Good God! This situation must be addressed!

[Snow Kitten]

Unfortunately, pippa´s are are more hazel/green. None of the medds have dark eyes, darkest is pa and they are very similar to pippa but slightly darker shade.  So the brown eyes are not from them it would appear

PIPPA
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1160483/thumbs/o-PIPPA-MIDDLETON-PARTY-PLANNING-facebook.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/W5KB5.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/995625/thumbs/o-PIPPA-MIDDLETON-DATING-facebook.jpg

Cupcake has quite light eyes

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/879447/thumbs/o-JAMES-MIDDLETON-facebook.jpg

http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article9225529.ece/alternates/w620/22BOOMF3103A.jpg

MA is very light eyed

http://cdn02.cdn.socialitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/31/The-Real-Housewives-Of-Beverly-Hills-Reunion-Part-1-01302012-01-580x435.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/04/article-2242350-16593AAA000005DC-208_306x423.jpg

PA, if you enhance these photos, is also a greenish/hazel, a touch darker than pippa

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/08/article-2492345-1942ED8700000578-905_306x423.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/secondary/145652.jpg

Pa and pippa in this one, you can see both not dark eyed

http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/07/12/700/n/1922398/e07e52bea84481cb_173311538.xxxlarge/i/Pippa-Michael-Middleton-chatted-during-festivities.jpg

WASTY light eyes
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3624632.ece/alternates/s2197/PAY-Kate-Middleton-poses-for-a-photograph-in-Strathearn.jpg

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article171162.ece/alternates/s615/image-1-for-kate-middleton-looks-gallery-814378507.jpg

willy boy light eyes
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2012/08/22/22-prince-william-118253006.o.jpg/a_4.5x.jpg

A throw back to willy boy in his youth before the medds got their clutches into him. He did not look the angry, tense person he has become now.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/PrinceWillREX_468x441.jpg

[Snow Kitten]

Also, photos of ma on the Lindo Wing steps 23 July 2013.  If she delivered the sprog on 4 June this is her nearly 7 weeks post delivery.  Looking very full figured, not hidden well by that frock.  Looks about right for the size of the kid on exit from hospital, he was a bruiser then.

http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wenn20527944.jpg

http://images.contactmusic.com/newsimages/carole_and_michael_middleton_arriving_at_the_lindo_wing_648170.jpg

http://www.todaysparent.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Carole-michael-middleton.jpg

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/53f9c7d40ad8934ac57399c1bd3a58480e53e158/c=114-0-2586-1863&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2013/08/17/1376747656000-Carole-Middleton-.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAmpUJ22Z13J4HvKVYMndDK8l0ZU0p_b3QBREPONEEsn_8IFbeZA

At Wimbledon 26 June and 3 July 2013 - approx 3 weeks "post delivery" if she was surrogate. She and pa mega bags under their eyes and looking exhausted.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes//royalty/2013062613237/carole-michael-middleton-tennis-wimbledon/0-67-874/carole-michael-1--a.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2348915-1A842B3D000005DC-824_306x538.jpg

http://media4.onsugar.com/files/2013/06/27/713/n/1922398/373f86ed37175af5_171561866.xxxlarge/i/Kate-Middleton-parents-Carole-Middleton-Michael-Middleton.jpg


http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes//fashion/2013070413348/kate-middleton-inspires-mother-carole-fashion/0-68-463/carole-middleton--z.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/03/article-2354795-1AA415C3000005DC-109_634x950.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2354795/Wimbledon-2013-Carole-Middleton-dons-leopard-print-roar-Andy-Murray-quarter-final.html

[GermanY]

The Viper sure is acting like his mother throwing him a birthday party peter rabbit.If she was so secure the boy is legit and is Waity and Wimpo she wouldn't be so obesses with her daughter and child always staying with her.I mean she got what she wanted Waity married to the Wimpo why does she look so beaten hhmmm.Look at this picture of Wimpo the lab baby does look like him so maybe his dna was inserted into the Viper.My heavens this sounds like a cheesy soap opera but it's real all of them are disgusting. Funny that Wimpo was 3 years old and the lab baby looks about the size of Wimpo in the picture not a one year old.


*********** No pics please, just links. Unless of course you own the pics ie taken it yourself. Copyright and all that. So links please

[Mosiac22]

I think Carol was living in a dream world, which has now turned into a nightmare. She must realise by now
that her daughter will never be Queen Consort, because Willy will IMO have to step aside and at the same
time accept that George will have to be removed from the succession. IMO there is no other way.
So Carol will not be the grandmother of the future king.
As for her unhappy expression she knows that she even more than her daughter has brought about this
outcome. All the way from pushing for the marriage knowing that Kate was infertile, and the George scenario
would have to happen to continue the fraud. That she didn't get away with it is due in part to her boasting,
and getting so many things wrong in the whole process. No one else to blame.
I wonder if future historians will record how this nobody from Berkshire came so close to usurping the
reigning dynasty and usurping the rightful heir. ?

[Iamroyalty]

I think Carol was living in a dream world, which has now turned into a nightmare. She must realise by now
that her daughter will never be Queen Consort, because Willy will IMO have to step aside and at the same
time accept that George will have to be removed from the succession. IMO there is no other way.
So Carol will not be the grandmother of the future king.

One would think so Mosaic22 but I despair of them ever being removed from the succession.  I've said this before somewhere but if TPTB are waiting for ER to go to her throne in the sky to save her the anguish this would cause then willy will be POW, one step nearer the throne and harder to dislodge - unless PC is even more ruthless than we thought

I wonder if future historians will record how this nobody from Berkshire came so close to usurping the
reigning dynasty and usurping the rightful heir. ?

Well - at least she'll be famous for something!!  Just not quite what she had in mind though

[Mosiac22]

Hello Iamroyalty - IMO they were never going to rush this although IMO not doing so is having the effect I always feared.
The public is becoming fond of him.

I think they did consider other options but a year on I think they know they have no alternative. The ground has been laid
very slowlly about Wimpo, not wanting to be king, to be "normal". Not seen much with Kate or George. Not a full time royal,
Now Kate alone to Malta. Has that been confirmed? So now officially George is nearly one, according to them. So IMO time
for decisions that have to be made. I have always believed it will not be before the Scottish vote. And now Parliament rises
for the summer recess. At the end of September, with Parliament about to resume, we will see which way the wind is blowing,
and what their thinking is. If nothing at all, well then others will also be biding their time.

[Rozel]

@GermanY  -  lovely piccie of willy boy, but I truly don´t see willy boy in him.  If you look at the both full frontal there is no resemblance at all. Wish I could say I saw a resemblance, but I have trawled many photos and can´t see it.  

* No pics please, just links. You can use pics if you own or have taken the pics yourself

Here is the link

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3384453.ece/alternates/s615/Prince-William-and-Prince-George.jpg

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